Comments on: Quivers and the Infamous Onan [Unpacked] http://www.readscott.com/quivers-and-the-infamous-onan-unpacked/ Here you'll find the journal of an average man wrought with joy. One day you'll find this diary in libraries across America between copies of Anne Frank and A Million Little Pieces. Fri, 04 Jul 2008 01:03:30 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Krista http://www.readscott.com/quivers-and-the-infamous-onan-unpacked/#comment-1153 Krista Tue, 20 May 2008 03:14:37 +0000 http://www.readscott.com/?p=316#comment-1153 HOLLA! and WOOP WOOP Kristas last blog post..<a href="http://kristajean.wordpress.com/2008/05/17/midnight-thoughts/" rel="nofollow">midnight thoughts</a> HOLLA!

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]]> By: Scott http://www.readscott.com/quivers-and-the-infamous-onan-unpacked/#comment-1115 Scott Thu, 15 May 2008 21:24:16 +0000 http://www.readscott.com/?p=316#comment-1115 Morgan, Thanks for posting this last comment. Very cool. Erica and I love you guys too. [Big hugs all around.] Morgan,

Thanks for posting this last comment. Very cool. Erica and I love you guys too.

[Big hugs all around.]

]]> By: Morgan http://www.readscott.com/quivers-and-the-infamous-onan-unpacked/#comment-1114 Morgan Thu, 15 May 2008 21:20:51 +0000 http://www.readscott.com/?p=316#comment-1114 Hey I just wanted to tell you in case you didnt know that I dont feel it is necessary to throw this out at just anybody. I would never expect someone to live up to the convictions/standards the Lord has placed in my life. I love you and Erica and I know you guys passionately pursue the Lord. To me, that is ultimately what matters and why I love you guys. Thanks for the good conversation though. Hey I just wanted to tell you in case you didnt know that I dont feel it is necessary to throw this out at just anybody. I would never expect someone to live up to the convictions/standards the Lord has placed in my life. I love you and Erica and I know you guys passionately pursue the Lord. To me, that is ultimately what matters and why I love you guys.
Thanks for the good conversation though.

]]> By: Morgan http://www.readscott.com/quivers-and-the-infamous-onan-unpacked/#comment-1111 Morgan Thu, 15 May 2008 14:56:58 +0000 http://www.readscott.com/?p=316#comment-1111 Eddy and I share your convictions scott. We have family members and friends who abuse the system and therefore we do not rely on the government ourselves. Also, it is very vague to say what the ideal life for a child is. Clearly you and I may have different perceptions in that area, who knows. This is a truth I can state boldly though. If you had kids now, you would NOT have to rely on the government. Not only because I know you have money, but also because I know the state would deny you (even tho I dont know you and Ri's income, I know where you live and most importantly how you live). You wouldn't even have to sell anything either (your condo etc) because you also have families who have money. Not to mention the fact that the Lord could provide funds another way (ie a fulltime job etc). I say that in NO condemnation to you and Ri's lifestyle. If I didnt have kids and could afford to live where you did and have what you have..I would too. The Lord has chosen to bless you with all that. Anyway, in scripture the Lord always blesses the families with Children and then the provisions to take care of those children. Not the other way around. The Lord blessed us with 2 kids and then the bigger house, not the bigger house and then the kids. Although with you and Erica it may be the other way around due to where you come from in the economical chain of life =) Love you guys have a good day! Eddy and I share your convictions scott. We have family members and friends who abuse the system and therefore we do not rely on the government ourselves.

Also, it is very vague to say what the ideal life for a child is. Clearly you and I may have different perceptions in that area, who knows.

This is a truth I can state boldly though. If you had kids now, you would NOT have to rely on the government. Not only because I know you have money, but also because I know the state would deny you (even tho I dont know you and Ri’s income, I know where you live and most importantly how you live). You wouldn’t even have to sell anything either (your condo etc) because you also have families who have money. Not to mention the fact that the Lord could provide funds another way (ie a fulltime job etc). I say that in NO condemnation to you and Ri’s lifestyle. If I didnt have kids and could afford to live where you did and have what you have..I would too. The Lord has chosen to bless you with all that.

Anyway, in scripture the Lord always blesses the families with Children and then the provisions to take care of those children. Not the other way around. The Lord blessed us with 2 kids and then the bigger house, not the bigger house and then the kids.
Although with you and Erica it may be the other way around due to where you come from in the economical chain of life =) Love you guys have a good day!

]]> By: Scott http://www.readscott.com/quivers-and-the-infamous-onan-unpacked/#comment-1109 Scott Thu, 15 May 2008 14:16:32 +0000 http://www.readscott.com/?p=316#comment-1109 Jennifer, Glad we're still friends. Morgan, You're my friend too. I just think about the children out there that were birthed out of faith, who then live non-ideal lives because their parents can't afford them. Plus, I don't believe it's the government's job to pay bills for my kids, which is what we'd have to rely on if we had kids now. That's a strong conviction for me. Jennifer,

Glad we’re still friends.

Morgan,

You’re my friend too. I just think about the children out there that were birthed out of faith, who then live non-ideal lives because their parents can’t afford them. Plus, I don’t believe it’s the government’s job to pay bills for my kids, which is what we’d have to rely on if we had kids now. That’s a strong conviction for me.

]]> By: Morgan http://www.readscott.com/quivers-and-the-infamous-onan-unpacked/#comment-1108 Morgan Thu, 15 May 2008 14:03:46 +0000 http://www.readscott.com/?p=316#comment-1108 Scotty..You will take a free car because that is a blessing, but you will not take a child (which is also a blessing)? Why should you be able to pick and choose your blessings. Even bringing finances into this equation shows lack of faith for someone that the Lord will not provide. If he takes care of the lillies of the field...why not a precious child he has entrusted into YOUR care to bring up in the nurture and admonition of Himself. He will provide. Just not how you would choose and not in your liking. It wont be nice or brand new like you could possibly do on your own. Instead, it would be just enough. If people only realized how little people need to be happy. Espeically children. And as believers..it should be only the Lord we need to sustain us. All the other financial responsibilities will be taken care of. Even if it means sacrificing things. Scotty..You will take a free car because that is a blessing, but you will not take a child (which is also a blessing)? Why should you be able to pick and choose your blessings.
Even bringing finances into this equation shows lack of faith for someone that the Lord will not provide. If he takes care of the lillies of the field…why not a precious child he has entrusted into YOUR care to bring up in the nurture and admonition of Himself. He will provide. Just not how you would choose and not in your liking. It wont be nice or brand new like you could possibly do on your own. Instead, it would be just enough. If people only realized how little people need to be happy. Espeically children. And as believers..it should be only the Lord we need to sustain us. All the other financial responsibilities will be taken care of. Even if it means sacrificing things.

]]> By: Jennifer http://www.readscott.com/quivers-and-the-infamous-onan-unpacked/#comment-1107 Jennifer Thu, 15 May 2008 14:02:14 +0000 http://www.readscott.com/?p=316#comment-1107 If God overrides your current methods, I imagine you will accept that child as well, despite the fact that he or she will not be free, and that you have financial obligations already in place. Anyway, I will leave it at this... In my choice of "inaction," I will certainly not have any more children than God intended for me to have. I have found great freedom in that. Fun discussion! And yes, we can still be friends. If God overrides your current methods, I imagine you will accept that child as well, despite the fact that he or she will not be free, and that you have financial obligations already in place.

Anyway, I will leave it at this… In my choice of “inaction,” I will certainly not have any more children than God intended for me to have. I have found great freedom in that.

Fun discussion!

And yes, we can still be friends.

]]> By: Morgan http://www.readscott.com/quivers-and-the-infamous-onan-unpacked/#comment-1106 Morgan Thu, 15 May 2008 13:55:30 +0000 http://www.readscott.com/?p=316#comment-1106 Being open to having a lot of children is a huge responsibility. But being a husband, and a spiritual leader are no greater or less of a responsibility. As far as Im concerned and what the bible teaches, faith is faith. There is one distinction. Everything is blind faith for me because I will NEVER know the out come of every situation in life but I do know that All things work to the good for those who love the Lord Rom8:28 so there is nothing the devil is going to do that isn't going to work for the good of the Lord. Even having a lot of kids. When you have faith in the word of God, you always know He is leading. That is what is so amazing about being quiverfull minded and the freedom found within. Wisdom tells me to trust in God and not me. What I would do, is not be open to having as many kids as the Lord would want. Instead it would be to worry about college, braces, weddings, supplying food and shelter for the 2 babies I already have. God does desire and demand radical faith in all areas of our life. Not just the easy parts or areas of my choosing. Like I said, in my wisdom and in my faith I would never give money to people in need. Common sense tells me I am poor and I need to invest it and pay off my debts. God tells me to give it. Bottom line is, christians don't want to be convicted on this subject because it is a great sacrifice. That is why it is so easy to find 101 reasons not to be obedient. Because who wants to give up their life of money, vacations, nice home, nice things, nice cars...and likely/possibly be poor raising a lot of kids. Last time I checked, the only thing we could take to heaven with us is other souls....my children especially. There is no higher or noble calling as a wife and mother than to nurture and train the children he has trusted us in the admonition of the Lord. 2 or 20...bring it! Love you Scott =) Thanks for the discussion. Being open to having a lot of children is a huge responsibility. But being a husband, and a spiritual leader are no greater or less of a responsibility. As far as Im concerned and what the bible teaches, faith is faith. There is one distinction. Everything is blind faith for me because I will NEVER know the out come of every situation in life but I do know that All things work to the good for those who love the Lord Rom8:28 so there is nothing the devil is going to do that isn’t going to work for the good of the Lord. Even having a lot of kids. When you have faith in the word of God, you always know He is leading. That is what is so amazing about being quiverfull minded and the freedom found within. Wisdom tells me to trust in God and not me. What I would do, is not be open to having as many kids as the Lord would want. Instead it would be to worry about college, braces, weddings, supplying food and shelter for the 2 babies I already have.
God does desire and demand radical faith in all areas of our life. Not just the easy parts or areas of my choosing. Like I said, in my wisdom and in my faith I would never give money to people in need. Common sense tells me I am poor and I need to invest it and pay off my debts. God tells me to give it.
Bottom line is, christians don’t want to be convicted on this subject because it is a great sacrifice. That is why it is so easy to find 101 reasons not to be obedient. Because who wants to give up their life of money, vacations, nice home, nice things, nice cars…and likely/possibly be poor raising a lot of kids.
Last time I checked, the only thing we could take to heaven with us is other souls….my children especially. There is no higher or noble calling as a wife and mother than to nurture and train the children he has trusted us in the admonition of the Lord. 2 or 20…bring it!
Love you Scott =) Thanks for the discussion.

]]> By: Scott http://www.readscott.com/quivers-and-the-infamous-onan-unpacked/#comment-1105 Scott Thu, 15 May 2008 13:51:40 +0000 http://www.readscott.com/?p=316#comment-1105 Rich, Jeremiah 29:11 blew my mind, too. No one ever reads the rest of that chapter. That passage rocks. Talk about a God who cares for His people. About Psalm 127, I know Solomon isn't giving military instruction. But, he is giving an example of what KIND of blessing children are. Jennifer, If God dropped a FREE car on our doorstep, then heck yes I'd take it. But, children aren't free and we have financial responsibilities already in place. It looks like we're just going to happily disagree. Can we still be friends even though I don't know who you are? :) Rich,

Jeremiah 29:11 blew my mind, too. No one ever reads the rest of that chapter. That passage rocks. Talk about a God who cares for His people.

About Psalm 127, I know Solomon isn’t giving military instruction. But, he is giving an example of what KIND of blessing children are.

Jennifer,

If God dropped a FREE car on our doorstep, then heck yes I’d take it. But, children aren’t free and we have financial responsibilities already in place.

It looks like we’re just going to happily disagree. Can we still be friends even though I don’t know who you are? :)

]]> By: Jennifer http://www.readscott.com/quivers-and-the-infamous-onan-unpacked/#comment-1104 Jennifer Thu, 15 May 2008 13:49:10 +0000 http://www.readscott.com/?p=316#comment-1104 And I would venture to say that, if you are living in America, you can afford a child. You may not be able to give your kid all the toys in the world, or the best clothes, or the biggest bedroom but, you can give your child love. That is true even of the poorest people in the most remote places on the earth. We really are one of the only cultures that even has a "when I'm ready" attitude about children.... and about almost everything else as well. And I would venture to say that, if you are living in America, you can afford a child. You may not be able to give your kid all the toys in the world, or the best clothes, or the biggest bedroom but, you can give your child love. That is true even of the poorest people in the most remote places on the earth. We really are one of the only cultures that even has a “when I’m ready” attitude about children…. and about almost everything else as well.

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